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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:30 am 
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I once read that if SOPA is passed, that means a system that can blacklist sites that can contain "harmless infringement such as a blog having a screencap from Glee.

It as recently occurred to me that this may mean the end of Shuushuu and other image boards and whatnot, wouldn't it? That would especially be a problem for people like me because, if anything, they can provide information regarding images, including who DOES that image belong to.

I've seen sites like TVTropes have big 'ol "STOP SOPA" ads on their site in protest to this bill. The fact that this isn't happening here either means that the impact wouldn't be as big as I thought, the devs don't care, they don't think it's worth it to put up something so...obstructive, or they support the bill for one reason or another.

Just so we're clear, that last paragraph is in regards to the "devs" of any given imageboard.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:44 am 
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SOPA is bull. To hell with the US government and its laws. THE INTERNET IS FROM THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:03 am 
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With SOPA and PIPA in effect it will be literal doomsday for world of Internet as we know it. US government will be total corporative lapdog if they pass it. They already closed MU and want their owners put in jail up for twenty years! The author of SOPA himself turned out to be copyright violator by placing photograph on his site without asking for permission or even crediting respective owner of the photograph. Once article pointing that out came out his site was properly modified. I guess as long as you're paid to you don't really need to understand what one is proposing.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:10 am 
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Isoroku22 wrote:
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Where's bin Laden when you need him?!

Don't even joke about that, what is wrong with you?

Yes, SOPA would in theory end this board. We are not owners of the images we are posting in any way. But someone would have to report shuu, for one. I don't know how likely that is to happen. It's not like we're a big site. /shrug Unless anony would take it down preemptively for fear of being sued.

SOPA and PIPA are most likely not going to pass though. Our President has announced his lack of agreement with the bill and many of its endorsers have backed off after the events of the 18th.

Also, Tensa and Iso, you should look into ACTA before spouting sh*t about the States. It's a similar act and being endorsed by the EU among other nations. The US entertainment industry is not the only one trying to shut down the internet.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:24 am 
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"The people make the country, not it's politicians." I accuse the government of the USA, NOT USA itself.

ACTA, well then to hell with the EU council as well. And the government of the following states: "Australia, Canada, Japan, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, the Republic of Korea, Singapore, Switzerland".

@Iso's "joke": Smart one there. No one minds government building being blow up. Unless I'm wrong. But personally, I'd be delighted. It's too ... "quiet". But regarding that, no worries. Recent events in Iran might have a bad turn with US entering a war with Iran as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:35 am 
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Yeah, I don't know why our government is being this stupid anyway. They're doing what the entertainment industry wants because the industry is paying them a lot of money, but it is also making the congressmen look completely weak. It's a horrible idea, if it passed we would remember it well, no one would get reelected because it's not as though we wouldn't all hate SOPA just as much when it was actually in place as we do now. Sigh. Even the House representatives are supporting it, and they only get two years before reelection. So unwise.

Of course people mind government buildings being blown up. And American people definitely mind references to the events of 9/11. So many people died, we're still in war from those events, and you think it's okay to joke about wanting it to happen again? To kill more mostly innocent people? If you think it is too quiet, Ten, you should check the news. It's not quiet at all. It never is.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:08 am 
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Too quiet on most parts of this planet. I hope I rephrased that correctly. World resources going down every second .... thus I wish for a world war. And no I don't care about humanity as much as I do for this planet. Because humanity is abusing Earth too much. Thus all the greed and "feed" they have but don't need. Thus I agree with you that they take money from everyone possible. -in cut after realizing how much I wrote after what I just wrote- Too many words about something else than this topic's subject were wasted on rise of politics-,

Never mind. Blabbering here about politics and human greed will bring no one no good. The only thing I'll say is that nothing can be solved without sweating blood.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:46 am 
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*sigh* Calm down people. No need for blood. If you want to do something for Earth, then stop breathing first, we will talk after, ok? And mind you, I'm of the opinion that if this world has to end, it will be by humans hands. Also, a world war, an act of terrorism is the worst thing which could happen if you want SOPA to pass, for the simple reason that it will a new sensationalism which will just make a media cover and allow the senate to act in the background.

Now, first of all, I can't say this enough, but this is in the Internet. The Internet being the Internet, information travel fast, disinformation even faster. Check and crosscheck your information. Take some time to think, and search about what you don't know.

Then, a bit of history. Internet is born during the Cold War, as a US military project, DARPA if memory is right. As a result, the majority of the Internet infrastructure is in the US. The Internet was never by the people for the people, it's for the goodness of the USA.

Concerning the author of SOPA being a copyright infringer so his text is wrong. You know what I can say about this? Argumentum ad hominem; logical fallacy, it's not because he has committed this that it nullifies the value of his text. It also don't means he is right. In order to create a debate, one must not fall in the pits of meaningless argument. It's useless to discredit people.

About MegaUpload, it's just a coincidence. They didn't need SOPA to take it down.

Ok, now I may sound like I'm for it, but I'm not. I have been against Hadopi here in France, and of course I'm against SOPA and PIPA. But let us be clear, that being against these laws is not the same as promoting piracy, because most people here have committed copyright infringement. I may continue to buy manga, games, music, doujinshi, but it doesn't counter balance what I have done. However by experience, I know it's because of piracy that I buy what I like and support the artists. I hope it's the same for the other.


As a geek, I'm against these laws because knowing how the network work, first of all, this is giving too much power to the hand of private corporation, then I'm surprised the Pentagon is letting this passed.

Simply enough, if such laws are passed, in the next 6 months you can be sure that the Internet will be the darkest place on Earth where everything can go. Information technology is a race, and at the moment, it's quite easy to create a darknet, but nearly impossible to break it. If we want, it's perfectly possible to create an anonymous network. So, for the defense of a country, this is a great threat. Since it's a popular example, child pornography will go unnoticed as well as all terrorist organization.

In short, such laws are ineffective as the technology is here to circumvent and will not solve the problem.

Then, this emanate from corporate company, especially the so called "music industry", "movie industry". I pretty much hate when they associate these words together. Thank you for the extremely bad soup you have delivered in the last decade. But well, when money is in the game, everything is good to earn more. In short, it's laws for the rich so that they keep getting richer. At the moment, they don't need such laws since they keep getting money.

However these idiots ( because I will be frank, they are ), seems to be focused on an old economical business plan. We are living in an era where the duplication of information has a cost of nearly zero. What you pay on the Internet nowadays is the product of the mind, something hard to estimate.Then again, its a digital era. Who use a CD player in the street? Nearly no one. It takes room, and it's far easier to manage a digital library. CD are nice, but we are encouraged not to use them with mp3 player and smartphone, computer. But they are basing themselves on CD sales. Their method are pretty demagogue as they associate less sales as more piracy and thieveries. However, people goes to more concert, pirate buy what they like. Piracy != thief. They don't lose money when you download something as they didn't press it on a CD. They have lots of method to make people think so, but it's mainly because they are basing themselves on a physical world.

What they should do, is adapt to a new economy, or die.

Since this is getting a bit long, I will recommend people who wants better informed opinion to read:


http://arstechnica.com/

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:30 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:26 pm 
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To all ye who reside in the USA, VOTE NO! http://americancensorship.org/
Remember to vote the PIPA one, and the one against SOPA which is lower on that page.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:18 am 
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Hm a couple of comments on here really make me angry. Some are just beyond ignorant.

Best to not start a topic such as the SOPA on the board. It just creates arguments and causes hurt feelings.

As for this whole SOPA/PIPA situation and the dramatic comments going around on the web, this is my response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:10 am 
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To be honest, if I could, I would press charges against anyone who tried to sign these silly laws for "Attempting to incite a riot".

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