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Alright, it's about time a proper guide was written for this very important task.
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Since adding Pixiv IDs as child tags to artist tags, locating artists for images has been somewhat easier on [[E-Shuushuu]]. However, not every artist has their Pixiv ID as a child, and not every artist even uses Pixiv. This is an updated guide on how to locate artists, for all members. For team members wanting to add an artist, see [[Creating Artist Tags]].
Please tell me if I missed anything before editing it in, or write it in the Talk page, because I want to be able to see it easily.
 
  
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=The Basics=
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Real names and names that artists publish their main work under, take priority over other names that the artist uses, as the primary tag name. The Pixiv nickname comes secondary to these, but still takes priority over other platforms to create some consistency on the board. So searching for these names will more likely lead you to the correct artist.
  
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We DO NOT copy artist names from other image boards; we use names on their personal websites.
  
==An Image Is Posted On Shuu==
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===Artists of the Same Name===
We're going to assume that the Pixiv link is provided in the misc. metadata field.
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Many artists have the same name, so be careful not just just add the artist name and leave it. Check that this is truly the correct artist of that name. Having Pixiv IDs as child tags has helped us to reduce this, though there are still a lot of mistagged images.
  
Click the link to go to Pixiv.
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===Duplicate Artist Tags===
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Give these a report using the [[Report Function]]; the team will get the information checked and merge the tags as needed.
  
Get to the artist's main page.  
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===Image Search Tools===
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* [https://www.google.com/imghp?sbi=1 Google Image Search]: Broad Image Search
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* [https://saucenao.com/ Saucenao]: Searches Pixiv and Deviantart
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* [http://iqdb.org/ iqdb]: Searches other image boards ''(excluding a few, like Minitokyo)''
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* [https://saucenao.com/tools/ Saucenao Extension]: Quick search Google, iqdb, Saucenao or TinEye
  
Scroll down: is there a website in their profile information? It may either be in the HPアドレス (basically, website) slot {[http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=19446 ex]} or somewhere within the writing at the bottom {[http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=180215 ex]}.  
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The fastest way to search if an image was originally posted on Pixiv, is to run the image through Saucenao. This can be done from Saucenao, or by using the Saucenao extension, which allows you to right click the image and search much faster.
  
The important sites to look for are:
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Alternatively, you can search using iqdb, which searches E-Shuushuu and other image boards, to see if the image has been tagged with an artist elsewhere; this can also be done faster using the Saucenao extension. BE CAREFUl, as other image boards tag their artists differently to E-Shuushuu, so use their Pixiv IDs to locate the artist when possible. Images are tagged by users on other image boards so the information is not always correct, when possible, try to ensure that the image has been posted by the linked artist.
* websites/blogs
 
* Piapro accounts
 
* DA accounts
 
  
===The artist does not have a website===
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===Common Artist Platforms / Credible Websites===
Artists like these are the most convenient, but often the most annoying as well.
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* [https://www.pixiv.net/en/ Pixiv]
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* [https://www.deviantart.com/ DeviantART]
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* [https://piapro.jp/ Piapro]
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* [https://www.tinami.com/ Tinami]
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* [https://twitter.com/home Twitter]
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* Tommy Walker game profiles (See [[#Tommy Walker Artists|Tommy Walker Artists]])
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* [https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ AnimeNewsNetwork]
  
I will use http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=610073 as an example of an easy artist.
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===Other Tips===
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* You can check an artist's images to see if their name has been written on them in Romaji; just don't mix this up with Circle names.
  
Their Pixiv name is listed as イチゼン (Ichizen). So, "Ichizen" will be the tag created.
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=Personal Websites/Blogs=
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On informational pages, the name usually comes after either "PN", "HN", "管理人", "名前", etc. Things like "サイト名" or "HP" are generally the name of the website. These are never the artist's name.
  
If, however, you are, unfortunately, like most of us here and do not know hiragana/katakana/kanji, the romanizing of these names will be challenging. I recommend http://www.romaji.org/ for romanizing, though you should note it's not very good with kanji (hiragana/katakana are done well though). If you ever feel like Romanji.org isn't giving you a very good result (this often happens with complex kanji, and you can tell it's likely to be wrong if it gives you a name like, "Goto maka kono koto jisa urujesai". That's just long and unlikely.
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Aside from it being pre-romanized, names may also be found in other manners. Artists will often list their names like this:
 
 
My recommendation then is to do one of two things.
 
 
 
Check it on http://oldnihongo.j-talk.com/parser/search/ > more options > proper names.
 
 
 
Or, open one of the artist's images, right click, and go down to either a) properties or b) copy image location. Paste the image location into your address bar, if you chose the second option.
 
 
 
This will allow you to see the artist's sign in name.
 
 
 
For example: http://img27.pixiv.net/img/o_tori/6743488_s.png
 
 
 
"o_tori" is the sign in name of our friend Ichizen. So, in this case, the sign in name is useless and unrelated to the artist's name.
 
 
 
However, the pixiv sign in name can be a powerful tool when coupled with wiktionary.org. Paste kanji into the wiktionary one at a time and scroll down to the area that looks like [http://i45.tinypic.com/21mrij9.png this].
 
 
 
Let's say our artist's name is 亜 (since that is what I looked up there). You think, "oh, their name is 'a'!" Normally, the assumption may be right, but the pixiv sign in name is "Atsu", one of the listed alternate romanizations. In a case like this, you would want to side with the pixiv sign in name.
 
 
 
Anyway, you have the artist's name now, and you've added a tag. Congrats, you're done!
 
 
 
===The artist has a website.===
 
 
 
Scroll down and open all websites the artist has listed.
 
 
 
Often, artists will just have a blog, and not an actual website. So I'll start there.
 
 
 
All blogs are set up differently, and some can be very annoying to navigate, but here are a few important notes:
 
 
 
* If it's REALLY hard to navigate, it's probably Chinese. 
 
* Korean blogs often have a romanized name hiding somewhere.
 
* Blogs usually have either a place that says "author", "about" or "profile", and that is where you'll find the name.
 
* Click around! Random clicks can often net you nice gains.
 
  
I can't go into more detail there without looking up and showing tons of examples, so I'll leave it at that. Any concerns may be left in a response to this thread or a PM to me.
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管理人: 主水 (シュミズ)
  
Artists may also have a proper website, with multiple pages, etc. Oooh~
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Translated, that is 'Name: Shumizu (Shumizu)'. This shows the Kanji and, in the brackets, how the Kanji is read. Just give it a check in case it says something else, such as 'Temporary'.
 
 
To find an artist's name on a proper website, you employ a similar method to finding it on the blog. Look for an "about", "info", "profile", or "links" page, primarily. If the site page names are in Japanese, look for "プロファイル", "インフォ", "アバウト", or "管理人". Sometimes the main page will contain names, and sometimes an "offline" or simply "off" page will have it hidden.
 
 
 
In any case, if you simply open all of the links you'll stumble onto it eventually.
 
 
 
On these pages, the information usually comes after either "PN", "HN", "管理人", "名前", etc.  
 
 
 
Things like "サイト名" or "HP" are generally the name of the website. These are never the artist's name.
 
 
 
For romanizing purposes, follow the guide above. However, I would like to expand upon a point: that some artists give you their names.
 
 
 
Aside from it being pre-romanized, names may also be found in other manners. Artists will often list their names like this:
 
  
* 管理人: 主水 (シュミズ)
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Of course, the artist's name would be "Shumizu". Not "Shumizu (Shumizu)".
* Name: Shumizu (shumizu)
 
  
This way, you can see their name in kanji, as they would write it, and you can also see the way that they read the kanji. This is an especially useful tool, but sometimes parenthesis can contain things like "temporary" as text instead, so it's best to translate things before assuming they're readings.
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=Piapro Artists=
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If the original filename looks like one of these:
  
In this case, by the way, the artist's tag would be added as "Shumizu". Not "Shumizu (shumizu)" or anything of that sort.  
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[[File:Piapro_filename_examples.PNG]]
  
And if we assume that the pixiv link is not provided, you can still get to the artist's pixiv account by opening up the full information on an image, and copy-pasting the original filename. This will only work if it's a file saved directly from pixiv, without the filename being changed.
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then it is most likely from [http://piapro.jp/ Piapro]. Piapro is a site dedicated to Vocaloid media (illustrations, music, song lyrics, etc.) Their filenames are in this format: "PictureTitle_ArtistLogin_SomeNumbers.jpg"
  
You can then open an image on pixiv, switch the numbers at the end of the url with what you have copied, and hit enter. You should be taken to the right image.  ([http://e-shuushuu.net/wiki/images/8/86/Name.png These Numbers])
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It's easy to find the artist from this filename.
  
And to test it, here's a sample: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php? ... id=8194785
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Copy the middle part, as circled here:
  
Replace the 8194785 with 8193668 (random other image). See what I mean?
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[[File:Piapro_filename.PNG]]
  
You should be seeing [http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=8193668 this image].
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Then paste it in your address bar after "piapro.jp/".  In this example you would get http://piapro.jp/akaiya3. This is the artist's page.
  
Alternately, you can take the image and run it through iqdb: http://iqdb.org/
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To see the artist's full profile, paste their login after "http://piapro.jp/my_page/?view=profile&pid=". For example: http://piapro.jp/my_page/?view=profile&pid=akaiya3
  
Then you can grab the pixiv link from the "source" slot of the image's booru page.
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Be aware that Piapro automatically appends "さん" to all of its user's names; it's a suffix, not part of their name.
  
Or, you can run it through SauceNAO: http://saucenao.com/
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=Booru Images=
  
Copy the source for the image on shuu as you would do to get the artist's pixiv sign in name. Then, go to SauceNAO > advanced options > check the "URL" box > past in your url > change "all databases" to "pixiv". Then you can click the image ID it gives to link straight to it.
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Some of the art of Shuu comes from a booru, be it Danbooru, Gelbooru, moe.imouto, etc.  Of all the boorus, only moe.imouto and Danbooru have any sort of a reliable system for finding artist websites.  While many of the names at these places are wrong, the links don't lie.
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A typical moe.imouto sidebar for an image from pixiv looks like this:
  
==Artist Tag Creation and Conflict==
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[[File:Moe.png]]
  
There are many artist tags on shuu now, and there are many artist tag conflicts as well.  
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The source section will link you right to the image on Pixiv, and if you click the question mark next to the artist's name (yellow on moe.imouto, red on Danbooru), you may be linked to a page with the artist's websites on it. Double check this information before using it, as it can be edited by almost anyone.
  
So, here are some basic ways to deal with tag conflicts.
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=Tommy Walker Artists=
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There are currently six Tommy Walker games, that allow users to commission artwork of characters.
  
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Finding the artist of Tommy Walker images can be quite a challenge, as the images often share backgrounds that stop then being so easily searchable on Similar Image Searches, and we don't currently alias Tommy Walker IDs to Artist tags.
  
Assume the artist is named Yuki.  
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==Artist IDs==
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Each artist on Tommy Walker has the same user ID across all games. However, across different games, some IDs are used as they are, while others will need zeros added to the front of the ID to make the number up to five digits.
  
The first tag added should be "Yuki". Then, if there's another Yuki, add it with the name of the artist's site or doujin circle as a qualifier, so you may add an artist as "Yuki (Flying Colors)" (assuming that's the site name). If they ONLY have a pixiv account, you may add them as "Yuki (pixiv23423)" (or whatever their ID number is).
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If all you can find is an ID number, use the starting links [[:Category:Tommy Walker Artist|here]] to put before an artist ID to locate their profile.
  
Also, if an artist's pixiv name is something like かねだ@あ食満しておめでとう。, you only add the first part as the tag. So, かねだ would be their name. Additionally, if an artist's name is a symbol that cannot be easily typed, such as ■ or ○△□, add the tag as the symbol, then alias their pixiv ID to it. Like so: http://e-shuushuu.net/tags/11444
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==Searching TW Images==
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===Run the image through iqbd===
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This will try to locate if the image has been posted on other image boards. Be cautious even if you find an artist from this; the images can be tagged by anyone so you should follow the artist links back to their gallery to check (See [[#Navigating TW Artist Profiles|Navigating Artist Profiles]]).
  
As a regular user, you won't be adding the tag yourself, but this is how tags would be added by the rest of us, and if you edit the wiki and can suggest tags properly, that's a bonus.
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===OR Google Image Search===
  
===Wiki Entries===
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Google will sometimes pick up the image from the original Tommy Walker site, either in the results or sometimes if you look under 'Find other sizes of this image'. You are looking for a Tommy Walker game URL, beginning with <nowiki> http://t-walker.jp/</nowiki> or something similar to <nowiki>http://tw4.jp/</nowiki> ''(number changing depending on the game)''.
Read [[Help:Editing]].
 
  
It needs a little editing, but it's better than nothing.
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==Navigating TW Artist Profiles==
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You have found the Artist profile that you THINK it might be, but you want to check their gallery for the image?
  
I am not going to rewrite this entire thing right now.
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The games are all in Japanese, so it can seem a little difficult to know how to navigate to their galleries. This can be done in different ways, depending on the game.
  
Basic things to remember about the wiki though:
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===Mugen no Fantasia / Silver Rain===
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Below the artist's banner, on the right hand side is a button. This button should take you to all of their uploaded works.
  
* Hepburn romanization.
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[[File:Button to gallery.jpg]] < Mugen no Fantasia
* No spaces in kanji in the title (but yes within the entry).
 
* Search the kanji before making an entry, so you're more likely to catch dupes.
 
  
==General notes on artist names through a translator online==
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[[File:Silver rain button.gif]]  < Silver Rain
  
* They don't provide alternate readings, example: 紅, which means "red", has 5 different readings: Kurenai, Kou, Ku, Beni and Mochi.
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===End Breaker===
Romaji.org only gives you "Kurenai".
 
  
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The gallery can be access from the dropdown menu and clicking the button by it, here:
  
* Different combination of kanji will "break" the translation, example, 華月 is usually read as "hana gatsu", and Romaji.org will give you the same reading, but many artists prefer "Kazuki" instead.  
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[[File:All works on the dropdown.png]]
  
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OR
  
* "バージニア*コンプレックス" google language tool will translate it correctly, but romaji.org will not.
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[[File:End breaker gallery.gif]] < This button should take you to all of their uploaded works.
  
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===Psychic Hearts/Kerberos Blade===
  
* Romaji.org use Nihon-shiki romanization, which isn't suitable for an "english-speaking community".
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Their gallery is accessible, through the second tab on their profile, and the artist's information from the third:
  
Example: a very common error found on the Shuu wiki when reading the recent changelog:  
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[[File:Tabs.png]]
  
ヅ/づ, ヂ/ぢ Zu and Ji respectively and that is Hepburn Romanization, not "Du" and "Di", which is Nihon-Shiki Romanization.
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===Jaeger Sixth===
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Just scroll down; it should be at the bottom of their page!
  
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=Artist Databases=
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You can enter the Japanese name into these and see if anything comes up. Because there can be multiple artists with the same name, try and verify that it is the correct one.
  
* Another common "error" found on shuu wiki, 月.
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* http://doujinshi.mugimugi.org/
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Go to the search box on the top right and select the "Author" option (you can also use "Circle" to look up a doujin circle)
  
It's actually Tsuki, or Zuki. Gatsu is a common reading, but not for Japanese names.
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* http://danbooru.donmai.us/artist/index?order=date
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Danbooru has a rather extensive artist name database. BE CAREFUL, on Danbooru, anyone can make an artist tag so it might be wrong. The site is NSFW.
  
And also, 夜, Yoru. Many artists prefer "ya".
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=Artist Does Not Have a Tag=
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Leave a link to the artist's personal profile in the Misc. Metadata section, and our [[Moderators]] or [[Tagging Team]] will add the artist to our database!
  
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Artists tags are not created without a link to a personal website, social media platform, or other credible source such as [https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ AnimeNewsNetwork]'s Encyclopedia.
  
* The iteration mark, 々, I don't know about other online translator, bur Romaji.org will ignore this word,
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=Still Can't Locate the Artist=
which will cause the translation to become incomplete.
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Our [[Tagging Team]] is here to help, no worries. Any additional information that you can offer about the image may be useful.
  
[[Category:Tutorial]]
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[[category:Tutorial]]

Revision as of 20:06, 6 June 2020

Since adding Pixiv IDs as child tags to artist tags, locating artists for images has been somewhat easier on E-Shuushuu. However, not every artist has their Pixiv ID as a child, and not every artist even uses Pixiv. This is an updated guide on how to locate artists, for all members. For team members wanting to add an artist, see Creating Artist Tags.

The Basics

Real names and names that artists publish their main work under, take priority over other names that the artist uses, as the primary tag name. The Pixiv nickname comes secondary to these, but still takes priority over other platforms to create some consistency on the board. So searching for these names will more likely lead you to the correct artist.

We DO NOT copy artist names from other image boards; we use names on their personal websites.

Artists of the Same Name

Many artists have the same name, so be careful not just just add the artist name and leave it. Check that this is truly the correct artist of that name. Having Pixiv IDs as child tags has helped us to reduce this, though there are still a lot of mistagged images.

Duplicate Artist Tags

Give these a report using the Report Function; the team will get the information checked and merge the tags as needed.

Image Search Tools

The fastest way to search if an image was originally posted on Pixiv, is to run the image through Saucenao. This can be done from Saucenao, or by using the Saucenao extension, which allows you to right click the image and search much faster.

Alternatively, you can search using iqdb, which searches E-Shuushuu and other image boards, to see if the image has been tagged with an artist elsewhere; this can also be done faster using the Saucenao extension. BE CAREFUl, as other image boards tag their artists differently to E-Shuushuu, so use their Pixiv IDs to locate the artist when possible. Images are tagged by users on other image boards so the information is not always correct, when possible, try to ensure that the image has been posted by the linked artist.

Common Artist Platforms / Credible Websites

Other Tips

  • You can check an artist's images to see if their name has been written on them in Romaji; just don't mix this up with Circle names.

Personal Websites/Blogs

On informational pages, the name usually comes after either "PN", "HN", "管理人", "名前", etc. Things like "サイト名" or "HP" are generally the name of the website. These are never the artist's name.

Aside from it being pre-romanized, names may also be found in other manners. Artists will often list their names like this:

管理人: 主水 (シュミズ)

Translated, that is 'Name: Shumizu (Shumizu)'. This shows the Kanji and, in the brackets, how the Kanji is read. Just give it a check in case it says something else, such as 'Temporary'.

Of course, the artist's name would be "Shumizu". Not "Shumizu (Shumizu)".

Piapro Artists

If the original filename looks like one of these:

Piapro filename examples.PNG

then it is most likely from Piapro. Piapro is a site dedicated to Vocaloid media (illustrations, music, song lyrics, etc.) Their filenames are in this format: "PictureTitle_ArtistLogin_SomeNumbers.jpg"

It's easy to find the artist from this filename.

Copy the middle part, as circled here:

Piapro filename.PNG

Then paste it in your address bar after "piapro.jp/". In this example you would get http://piapro.jp/akaiya3. This is the artist's page.

To see the artist's full profile, paste their login after "http://piapro.jp/my_page/?view=profile&pid=". For example: http://piapro.jp/my_page/?view=profile&pid=akaiya3

Be aware that Piapro automatically appends "さん" to all of its user's names; it's a suffix, not part of their name.

Booru Images

Some of the art of Shuu comes from a booru, be it Danbooru, Gelbooru, moe.imouto, etc. Of all the boorus, only moe.imouto and Danbooru have any sort of a reliable system for finding artist websites. While many of the names at these places are wrong, the links don't lie. A typical moe.imouto sidebar for an image from pixiv looks like this:

Moe.png

The source section will link you right to the image on Pixiv, and if you click the question mark next to the artist's name (yellow on moe.imouto, red on Danbooru), you may be linked to a page with the artist's websites on it. Double check this information before using it, as it can be edited by almost anyone.

Tommy Walker Artists

There are currently six Tommy Walker games, that allow users to commission artwork of characters.

Finding the artist of Tommy Walker images can be quite a challenge, as the images often share backgrounds that stop then being so easily searchable on Similar Image Searches, and we don't currently alias Tommy Walker IDs to Artist tags.

Artist IDs

Each artist on Tommy Walker has the same user ID across all games. However, across different games, some IDs are used as they are, while others will need zeros added to the front of the ID to make the number up to five digits.

If all you can find is an ID number, use the starting links here to put before an artist ID to locate their profile.

Searching TW Images

Run the image through iqbd

This will try to locate if the image has been posted on other image boards. Be cautious even if you find an artist from this; the images can be tagged by anyone so you should follow the artist links back to their gallery to check (See Navigating Artist Profiles).

OR Google Image Search

Google will sometimes pick up the image from the original Tommy Walker site, either in the results or sometimes if you look under 'Find other sizes of this image'. You are looking for a Tommy Walker game URL, beginning with http://t-walker.jp/ or something similar to http://tw4.jp/ (number changing depending on the game).

Navigating TW Artist Profiles

You have found the Artist profile that you THINK it might be, but you want to check their gallery for the image?

The games are all in Japanese, so it can seem a little difficult to know how to navigate to their galleries. This can be done in different ways, depending on the game.

Mugen no Fantasia / Silver Rain

Below the artist's banner, on the right hand side is a button. This button should take you to all of their uploaded works.

Button to gallery.jpg < Mugen no Fantasia

Silver rain button.gif < Silver Rain

End Breaker

The gallery can be access from the dropdown menu and clicking the button by it, here:

File:All works on the dropdown.png

OR

End breaker gallery.gif < This button should take you to all of their uploaded works.

Psychic Hearts/Kerberos Blade

Their gallery is accessible, through the second tab on their profile, and the artist's information from the third:

Tabs.png

Jaeger Sixth

Just scroll down; it should be at the bottom of their page!

Artist Databases

You can enter the Japanese name into these and see if anything comes up. Because there can be multiple artists with the same name, try and verify that it is the correct one.

Go to the search box on the top right and select the "Author" option (you can also use "Circle" to look up a doujin circle)

Danbooru has a rather extensive artist name database. BE CAREFUL, on Danbooru, anyone can make an artist tag so it might be wrong. The site is NSFW.

Artist Does Not Have a Tag

Leave a link to the artist's personal profile in the Misc. Metadata section, and our Moderators or Tagging Team will add the artist to our database!

Artists tags are not created without a link to a personal website, social media platform, or other credible source such as AnimeNewsNetwork's Encyclopedia.

Still Can't Locate the Artist

Our Tagging Team is here to help, no worries. Any additional information that you can offer about the image may be useful.